The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 5000

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The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 5000

Postby Davy » Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:05 pm

It’s seem that the side move between the short and the long exposure scan. I think the slide move when the sensor come back to its initial position. It happened randomly: some are correct and some are less impact than others.

The capture with multi-exposure:
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A detail of this capture:
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The capture without multi-exposure (a previous scan with CyberView):
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Is this issue known?
How can it be solved?
Does LaserSoft Imaging plan to solve it (for instance, with a similitude analysis to correct the offset)?

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:24 pm

Dear customer,

please make sure you are using the latest SilverFast update.
In the SilverFast preferences' special tab you will find a value for the "Maximum offset for the ME alignment".
Please try setting it to a higher value.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby Davy » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:13 pm

I updated to the 8.0.1r53 version and try some ME offset correction settings (20, 25, 30, 60, 120 and 200). The same problem happens with those settings, so I try with 1. Actually, the offset is better without correction, but not always perfect.

Are you able to reproduce the problem or it’s only me?
Maybe it's a regression, should I try a previous version?

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:55 pm

Dear customer,

did you check our latest update (r54).
It contains new driver components.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby Jossie » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:24 am

Good morning Davy,

with my DigitDia6000 I encounter exactly the same problem with ME. As you mention Cyberview I would conclude that you are also using a scanner from PIE. It is not the slide that is moving but the scan head is not able -- due to its mechanical / electronic design -- to accurately come back to the same scan position for the second scan. Therefore SF tries to align the images in software (v**s**n doesn't do that, CyberView for this very reason does not offer ME at all).

From my experience one gets better results when REDUCING the allowed offsets, say to 10 or even 5 pixels. But even with this setting I do get double contours or unsharp results quite often in an extensive scan series. In the end it is trial and error since the deviating head position is random. Since the gain in dynamic range is only marginal I gave up with ME for good due to this problem.

It is unclear to me, why the SF alignment algorithm does not work reliably. Admittedly, one could imagine alignment difficulties with slides showing almost no contrast or motif (which should be a rare exception as it is not worth scanning such images in general). In other disciplines image alignment to a fraction of a pixel is a standard procedure (you might take a look at an example from medicine https://sites.google.com/site/qingzongtseng/template-matching-ij-plugin#description or from astronomy http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2010/05/aa12428-09.pdf. In the latter case the images making up the RGB-images had even been taken with different instruments with different image scales and optical distortions).

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby sandycat42 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:06 pm

I am having exactly the same problem with a brand new Epson Perfection V750 Pro. Without ME my scans are excellent, but with ME they are unacceptable, with red and cyan fringes in parts of the image. The best results are with the offset set to 1, but these are not good enough for quality prints. Is this a hardware or a software problem?
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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:07 pm

Dear customer,

I have sent your post to our support system so you can send us some samples of your issue.

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Re multi-exposure fringes

Postby Phil At Home » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:11 pm

I am experiencing the same problem on my V750 with misalignment of the ME scans. I have found it improves with the offset to 1. It also seems to improve when the unsharp power is reduced. It seems to have got worst over the last 3 months and it results in me doing a number of rescans to minimise the problem. The problem/effect in the past occurred 1 in 20 or 30 scans but now is 1 in 2 or 3 scans.

I am using Version 8.0.1r49

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:43 pm

Dear customer,

Your version of SilverFast is outdated.
Have you tried our latest update (8.2.0r2)?

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:05 pm

Dear Phil,

I have forwarded your last post to our support system, so we can take a closer look at the issue.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby peterk8200 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:16 pm

I have noticed the same issue on some slides scanned by my Plustek 8200i with SilverFast 8.8.0r2. It does not happen on every scan and reducing the "maximum offset for ME alignment" seems to help but not completely remove the artefacts.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:37 pm

Dear customer,

unfortunately the offset can only be compensated up to a certain amount.
If your scanner produces a larger offset please check if the film can move inside the slide holders easily. Otherwise the scan head might have to be adjusted.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby jur » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:28 pm

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I just upgraded tot SE Plus in order to get the Multi Exposure tool. I have experienced the same problem in various scans. Big color shifts around highlights and a overall unsharp effect due to shift of the 2 scan layers.

I am working with a Epson V700 scanner on SF 8.8.0r2 Build number: 16259. I've tried everything to solve this problem. Has anyone found a solution for this problem? I've included my results with and without the use of M.E. changing nothing else in the preferences with all auto changes disabled.
It is a unacceptable difference which cost me a lot of money. I hope there is a solution for this problem which is driving me crazy.

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Re: The slide move during multi-exposure with a Digitdia 500

Postby LSI_Ketelhohn » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:43 pm

Dear customer,

The V700 actually makes two separate scans for the Multi-Exposure scan.
The offset shown in your images is unusually large.
Have you tried adjusting the Multi-Exposure offset in the preferences' special tab?
Our own V700/V750 devices do not show such issues.

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