SF AI 6. Question about the size of the target image

[Grigoriy]

Good afternoon.

I use Silver Fast AI 6 ver 6.2.0r2 and Microtek FS 3600. Has paid attention to the following problem - at creation of the task in Job Manager the size of the image becomes equal 3.4 x 2.2 cm. Manually it is possible to correct the size (it is allowable, is necessary for me full the staff 3.6 x 2.4 cm) stretching a framework of a picture in the main window. Then I want, that all other staff would have the same sizes, as edited by me. For this purpose I allocate all staff in Job Manager and I choose " Copy Scan Parametrs ". I put ticks on items "Output width" and "Output height". However SF only increases scale of images (he becomes 105 %), and the picture remains to the same (cut off on edges on 1 mm, in comparison with the original of the staff).
Prompt me how to make all of a picture of the full size.

Thanks.
Grigory.

[LSI_Noack]

Dear Grigoriy

due to workflow analysis of test users the "copy scan parameters" does not include the frame size.
However, it is tedious to have to manually change each and every single frame over and over again. You might want to use the following workaround:

After changing a couple of frames to the desired size, save this job. You can then recall this job - the frame size settings should be included in the saved parameters.

Alternatively, the quick-and-dirty-method: batch scan.

[Grigoriy]

Why the size of the staff is established 2.2x3.4 cm?

[Gregory C]

due to workflow analysis of test users the "copy scan parameters" does not include the frame size.

there is something very wrong with the test users. I have been requesting this function for almost 2 years. the Job Manager is completely useless for film batch scanning because of this very problem. each and every item in the queue must be prescanned and the scan frame must be set manually (note that Frame sets are also not accessible while in Job Manager Edit mode). the only way to perform efficient batch scanning with SF Ai is to use Batch (File) and forget about the Job Manager.

At one stage, I was hoping to use Job Manager to scan each frame of a film twice: once to an HDR image file, and once to a 225 dpi 24-bit image file. If the same job could be used for multiple strips/rolls of film, it might have been worthwhile to set it up. However:

1. the film offset can vary for different strips/rolls of film, and
2. the desired Parameter set usually varies for different jobs.

if you want to perform batch scanning with Ai, forget about the Job Manager. instead:

1. set Mode to Batch (File).
2. select the frames in the Overview window.
3. click Preview if a preview is not automatically performed.
4. select your scan frame in the Preview.
5. select your settings.
6. set the base file name in the File Name field.
7. click Scan.
8. select a destination directory, etc and click Save.

I'm still considering using this technique and switching between Parameter sets without ejecting the film to create my two sets of image files. it may yet be the best way to go.

regards
Gregory

[Grigoriy]

Thanks.

I have tried Batch Scan is really conveniently for scanning all film entirely, however idea of introduction in the program of the tool " Job Manager " good, but realization demands completions.

As an example of use Job Manager I can result the following task:
I should scan the following sequence of the staff from a film in length of 37 staff: 1-10, 14-22, 28-37. It seems to me, that only using " Job Manager " I can solve this task.

Grigoriy

[Gregory C]

you can still use Batch Scan.

when you open the Overview window to make your selection, you can shift-click to select a contiguous selections of frames, and you can command-click to select/deselect individual frames.

therefore, to scan frames 1-10, 14-22, 28-37;
click on frame 1
shift-click on frame 37
command-click frames 11, 12, 13
command-click frames 23, 24 ... 27
click OK

by design, you should be able to option-click to designate which of the frames will be previewed. unfortunately, option-click is buggy (ie, it 'kind of' works) and Lasersoft doesn't have time to fix it.

(ramble on)
to be more precise, option-click should:
(a) if the clicked frame is unselected, option-click should select the frame and hilite it in red to designate it as the preview frame.
(b) if the clicked frame is already selected, option-click should simply toggle the frame's hilite state.

at the moment, if the clicked frame is already selected, option-click incorrectly deselects it. two option-clicks are therefore required to designate a selected frame as the preview frame.
(ramble off)

regards
Gregory

[Grigoriy]

Thanks for the help.
I have tried, but the result was a little not such as I expected. I think it a question to developers.

I shall describe process step by step.

Attempt ?1.

1. Has inserted into the scanner a piece in length of 5 staff.
2. Has pressed " Overview of all Images on the film "
3. Has allocated the first the staff.
4. Keeping key Shift has allocated the first 5 staff.
5. Keeping key CTRL has removed a mark from the third staff. (thus selected there was staff 1,2,4,5).
6. Has pressed OK.
7. Has chosen Batch Scan (File)
8. Has pressed Scan.
9. Has set an initial name of files (Image).
10. Has pressed OK.

The program has made " Measuring... " also started scanning.

- the program has scanned result the staff 1,2,4,5 and then has wasted a film on 1 staff and more time has scanned it. Thus as a result of performance of this task the program has scanned 4 staff, but the first the staff has scanned two times and 5 files (Image 0001, Image 0002, Image 0003, Image 0004, Image 0005 = Image 0001) have turned out. Why two times the first was scanned the staff?

Attempt ?2

Not restarting SF AI.

1. Has pressed " Overview of all Images on the film ".
2. Has allocated only the third staff.
3. Has pressed OK.
4. Has chosen Batch Scan (File)
5. Has pressed Scan.
6. Has set an initial name of files (Image).
7. Has pressed OK.

The program has wasted a film up to the end (what for she has made it?), then has returned a film on the third staff and has started scanning.

- the program of 5 times has scanned result the third staff and 5 files (Image 0001 - Image 0005), containing the same picture have turned out. How it is possible to explain it?

The question to developers of the program - that occurs and how it to avoid?

I have precisely described all actions and results of the answer of the program.

[LSI_Noack]

LSI_Noack wrote:

due to workflow analysis of test users the "copy scan parameters" does not include the frame size.

Gregory C wrote:

there is something very wrong with the test users. I have been requesting this function for almost 2 years. the Job Manager is completely useless for film batch scanning because of this very problem. each and every item in the queue must be prescanned and the scan frame must be set manually (note that Frame sets are also not accessible while in Job Manager Edit mode). the only way to perform efficient batch scanning with SF Ai is to use Batch (File) and forget about the Job Manager.

Dear Gregory

I found that it is actually quite simply to create identical frame sizes, at least with flatbed scanners:
After having drawn a scan marquee frame, I hold down the (Windows:) CTRL key resp. (Macintosh:) ALT/option key and drag the frame to some other place in the preview window.

Result: A new frame of identical height and width is created.

This is very useful when scanning multiple slides using a flatbed scanner and the Job Manager.

if you want to perform batch scanning with Ai, forget about the Job Manager

Of course, for batch scanning you want to use the batch mode.

by design, you should be able to option-click to designate which of the frames will be previewed. unfortunately, option-click is buggy (ie, it 'kind of' works) and Lasersoft doesn't have time to fix it.

I am not quite sure where you got the info that SilverFast should behave that way.
However, I find this quite convincing that SilverFast should behave that way, so I will enter a feature request in our development database.


Dear Grigory

does the batch scan still produce duplicate images with the latest SilverFast update version? If the error persists, please don't hesitate to contact LaserSoft Imaging support staff: https://www.silverfast.com/problemreport/en.html
I would appreciate if you could paste a fresh copy of the SF_Logfile in the problem report.
Thanks in advance for your co-operation.

[Gregory C]

I found that it is actually quite simply to create identical frame sizes, at least with flatbed scanners

I'm aware of that function but many of us are using film scanners where that function is very limited in usefulness.

regards
Gregory

[LSI_Magnussen]

Dear Gregory,

by design, you should be able to option-click to designate which of the frames will be previewed. unfortunately, option-click is buggy (ie, it 'kind of' works) and Lasersoft doesn't have time to fix it.

(ramble on)
to be more precise, option-click should:
(a) if the clicked frame is unselected, option-click should select the frame and hilite it in red to designate it as the preview frame.
(b) if the clicked frame is already selected, option-click should simply toggle the frame's hilite state.

at the moment, if the clicked frame is already selected, option-click incorrectly deselects it. two option-clicks are therefore required to designate a selected frame as the preview frame.
(ramble off)

Some things really take long, but expect this issue to be fixed in the upcoming 6.2.1r6.

Regards
Ralf