Merry Christmas with DCPro?

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Merry Christmas with DCPro?

Postby StefanKlocke » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:28 pm

Hello,

I just noticed the Christmas message on you FrontPage: "Merry Christmas with Silverfast DCPro". Can I conclude that Father Christmas will bring a DCPro update?

Stefan

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Postby LSI_Rossee » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:45 pm

Dear StefanKlocke.

Make sure the chimney is cleaned and the x-mas stocking is attached and ready :wink: !
You never know what Santa might bring you.

Kind regards.

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Postby ianders1 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:57 am

Ho, Ho, Ho, Santa must think that we've all been good boys and girls because v6.2.0.1 is QUITE AN UPDATE!!!

Everyone at Silverfast has done a great job with this! I can't believe the improvement, even over the beta version!

Fr?hliche Weihnachten und alles Gute zum Neuen Jahr!

-Ian A.

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Postby stefanKlocke » Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:52 am

I just got 6.2 installed. It is clearly a big step forward. There is so much to like about this software that I really hope I will find the results as good as the first look.

I wish you all a very happy Christmas

Stefan

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Postby Andreas » Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:40 am

Is the big improvement the fact, that the profile for the S2Pro is now missing completely because Lasersoft could not create a decent one?

Again, the pictures from the S2Pro come out as total crap....

Sorry to say, this again was a waste of time for me and I think I'll give up on it. Maybe it's all a matter of user error but I'd by far prefer an old-fashioned manual in pdf or doc format from a fancy Quicktime thing which is missing in the tryout version where you'd need it most....maybe a few screenshots on how to customize it for the S2 would do it but Lasersoft prefers to put products out quickly without giving any assistance to the user - this is very very bad marketing!!! Instead of your christmas intro page you'd rather spent 30 minutes for a basic program intro....

If a marketing department is listening:
A good manual is part of a good product. No good product (if complicated as Silverfast) without a good manual. I always found it to be very strange that a company with a good product is relying on a private user (I'm thinking of Ian Lyons tutorials) to give the information that should be part of a good documentation. I really like Silverfast (for LS4000 and HDR) but I doubt that I had ever really used them successfully it without Ian's tutorials.

Bye

Andreas

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Postby ianders1 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:58 pm

Andreas (Grinch),

Bah Humbug - what an inappropriate day to post this.

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Postby Andreas » Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:22 pm

Dear Ian,

I'd happily post an excuse for this message which I wrote in quite a frustration (because of the new version).
The first version of DCPro I tried was beginning of September. I wrote a message about problems with the Fuji S2 Profiles without much response from Lasersoft. Months (!!!) later Lasersoft admitted that the S2 Profile does not work and that the new version (this one?) would fix this. Now that after quite some work over the last months I've some hours to play thanks to Christmas holiday with the new software LS posted, just having to find out that the fix is done by not offering a profile for the S2 at all anymore (this must be a joke???).

Or could you locate it???

Anyway, the EX converter by Fuji works great, Phase One will soon offer S2 support giving another alternative. So I do not really need the Lasersoft one. It would just have been nice having the same opportunities than with current (working) versions of Silverfast. What really bothers me is that again I wasted a few hours just to realize that S2 still is not supported in a proper way....
Anyway, I'll return to family life now which is nicer this time of the year than alpha-testing software.

Bye and merry Chistmas

Andreas

(...still frustrated about this software that he simply cannot get to work properly with his S2Pro...)

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Postby ilyons » Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:10 pm

Andreas,


Andreas wrote:Dear Ian,

I'd happily post an excuse for this message which I wrote in quite a frustration (because of the new version).
The first version of DCPro I tried was beginning of September. I wrote a message about problems with the Fuji S2 Profiles without much response from Lasersoft. Months (!!!) later Lasersoft admitted that the S2 Profile does not work and that the new version (this one?) would fix this. Now that after quite some work over the last months I've some hours to play thanks to Christmas holiday with the new software LS posted, just having to find out that the fix is done by not offering a profile for the S2 at all anymore (this must be a joke???).



The following thread might explain the absence of the profile:

viewtopic.php?t=2236


When I first began using this new version (beta) I was stunned at the poor colours produced when I activated the camera profile. I quickly switched back to Use Embedded Profile and everything was fine again. I think the words Use Embedded Profile is confusing - something more appropriate is needed.

In the case of the Canon 10D I can tell you that the latest version is light years better than the original version in just about every department.

Over this past few days using the release version I've been comparing DCPro with C1 Pro and SE and much prefer the colour rendering of DCPro with my 10D images. Whilst VLT (I don't particularly like it) has been improved and now does the conversion when "I" say so and in "my" good time I still find the initial workflow to be not as well thought out as that in C1 Pro/SE. That said I much prefer DCPro's tools for editing the image, but that might be more to do with the duration of my use of SilverFast.

The new White Balance tool is vastly superior to the earlier version and seems to be pretty close to the desired value right off. C1 Pro/SE both require a greater degree of fine tuning.





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Postby Andreas » Fri Dec 26, 2003 11:04 am

Dear Ian,

I can only speak as a Fuji S2Pro user and even when using the "Embedded Profile" the images come out completely useless. If I would not use the Fuji EX as a comparison, where the same files look great, I'd probably conclude, that my camera is dead but so all I can say is that DCPro does not at all work for me (and/or the Fuji files).
Which gamma settings do you use?
Is there a docu anywhere on how to use the new version without profiles? All I found in the Lasersoft-pdf is to use the non-existant ICC profile....
No mention of gamma as far as I could see...

Maybe I'll give it another try when you write a tutorial (with an extra chapter for the S2);-)
I found your tutorials to be the only good sources of informations on the other Silverfast versions as well, never having found the really important tricks in any Lasersoft documentations, which I think is quite sad.

Bye

Andreas

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Postby geo-teech » Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:24 pm

too bad you have a camera that doesn't work with silverfast- my recommendation is to get rid of that crappy camera and get a grown up camera. every time i use an s2pro i want to throw it through a wall. even nikon's d100 outperforms it in every way.


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