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Canon 9950f trial versions of LaserSoft and v**s**n

Postby Karen » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:56 pm

I wish this discussion would continue on the Canon 9950f and Silverfast vs. Vuesoft and how to best utilize it. I recently purchased this scanner and the software that comes with it is horrible. I wanted a general purpose scanner, but also wanted to copy a few slides and a number of negatives. After that it will just be general purpose scanning. I didn't think my pictures were of the quality to be worthy of a dedicated film scanner and I debated a lot between Canon and Epson 4990 scanner. Now, due to the lousy Canon software I think I made a mistake because the Epson software might have had more options than Canon. I don't see how they can make this nice scanner and not supply better software with it. I can only use the Fare if I use the Canon ScanGear software. Bummer.

I'm really frustrated right now. I d/l trial copies of Vue Scan and Silverfast SEplus, also Silverfast A1/Studio. I need software that will fix dust and scratches plus take care of color shifts in some of the slides and negatives. I've actually had better luck with the v**s**n software on the things I need to do versus Silverfast, but most of the reviewers say that Silverfast is much better, so maybe it is just my user inexperience that is at fault. I really need that dust and scratch removal on some of the older slides/negatives I'm scanning. I wish other users would post about how they are using this software. I can't d/l a 95meg. file for demo with my slow Internet connection, and the Silverfast software doesn't seem to have instructions included in the demo version. Does anyone know if a purchased CD copy of Silverfast would contain more in the way of how to use it. I'm just muddling through trying different effects and not finding the software very user friendly. I'm also a little leary of spending $179 (Studio Version) for software specific to this one scanner and if in a year the scanner dies, the software will not work on another scanner. I'm sure the 9950f will be replaced shortly and no longer available, but I want software of the quality to get the job done now. I can eventually fix the pictures in a photo editing program using just the Canon scanner software, but it is much too time consuming. I want decent scanner software that will remove dust and scratches and that also allows me to compensate for color shifts in film. The most important scans to me are of people, many who are no longer living, versus scanning scenery pictures that might be more critical of shadow details. The scans I have done with Silverfast still contain dust and scratches, but color correction is better than Canon ScanGear. I'm open to suggestions, or a link to a website address with further instructions. Or maybe I'll just scan the pictures and when I get time run the most important ones through a photo editing program.

Any other users have solutions for these problems?

Thanks.

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Postby RAG » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:21 am

Hello Karen,

Here are some good resources for you to look at regarding the use of SilverFast.

Source: LaserSoft
http://www.silverfast.com/documentation/en.html
http://www.silverfast.com/show/sf-onlin ... ws/en.html

Source: Ian Lyons wonderful web site
http://www.computer-darkroom.com

With some practice you should be able to use SilverFast to remove a fair amount of dust and scratches, but you will still need to fine tune your images with an image editor. This is true across the board and is not limited to SilverFast.
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Re: Canon 9950f trial versions of LaserSoft and v**s**n

Postby tunison » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:45 am

Karen, I'm sorry to hear that you're as frustrated as I am. I too thought I had done a good job identifying the Canon 99xxF series to handle my mixed media types of family photographs. (I bought my 9900F a few years ago in a burst of enthusiasm, then didn't have the time to follow up.)

The end result of my 3 day weekend of comparing color results from CanoScan (CS), VS and SF is that I am now using CS and Photoshop Elements 3.0 (PE3) rather than the PE 2.0 that came with my scanner from Canon.

The Key: I found late in the game that that the colors produced by CS are BETTER if you DISABLE both "Fading Correction" and "Auto Exposure" and then use PE3's "Auto Smart Fix" under its Enance menu.

This result is still not as good in terms of colors as what VS and SF were producing, I think, but getting rid of the dust saves too much work to pass up.

So my current workflow, at least for the most precious family slides, is to do 48-bit scans at 3200dpi with Normal level dust removal, NO Fading correction, and Normal Grain correction and NO Auto Exposure, save the result as a TIFF file as an archive digital negative, then convert the 48 bit image to 24 bit (in PE3's Image menu/Mode option), then apply the Auto Smart Fix, and save the resulting file to a different file name.

I drop the quality from 48 to 24 bit because the Auto Smart Fix is not available for 48 bit images!!!! (Thwarted at every turn! I went out and bought Elements 3 precisely because Elements 2 doesn't handle 16 bits per color, only to find out that Elements 3 has only LIMITED functionality at that quality level.)

I might be making all kinds of mistakes. I'm fumbling my way through this entire subject area. I've read lots of reviews and forums and tips in the last month. Maybe this is all a big mistake and I should go buy another scanner, well supported by SF. I'd like to make use of its Job Manager to batch-scan the slides. (To add insult, PE3 cannot seem to handle without crashing scanning 8 slides at a time. The most I've been able to do is 2! The more I type, the less satisfied I am.)

Why did you decide against the Epson 4990 scanner? The little PM button below each posting can be used to send a private message to the poster person, in case you want to compare notes further.

No one has yet answered my questions about whether SRD can be used in an automated fashion, why SRD doesn't work for me at all in manual mode or why v**s**n (VS) can do cleaning using infrared information but SilverFast (SF) cannot. (The VS docs indicate that the infrared option is only enabled on scanners equipped with that technology, and it shows up on my 9900F... So SF should be able to get at that info too!!)

I expect the answers to those questions will not help me out -- SRD will most likely only work with manual intervention in each picture and LaserSoft Imaging probably won't deem it worth the engineering effort to satisfy what apparently is a small number of Canon customers.

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Re: Canon 9950f trial versions of LaserSoft and v**s**n

Postby tunison » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:45 am

Karen, I'm sorry to hear that you're as frustrated as I am. I too thought I had done a good job identifying the Canon 99xxF series to handle my mixed media types of family photographs. (I bought my 9900F a few years ago in a burst of enthusiasm, then didn't have the time to follow up.)

The end result of my 3 day weekend of comparing color results from CanoScan (CS), VS and SF is that I am now using CS and Photoshop Elements 3.0 (PE3) rather than the PE 2.0 that came with my scanner from Canon.

The Key: I found late in the game that that the colors produced by CS are BETTER if you DISABLE both "Fading Correction" and "Auto Exposure" and then use PE3's "Auto Smart Fix" under its Enance menu.

This result is still not as good in terms of colors as what VS and SF were producing, I think, but getting rid of the dust saves too much work to pass up.

So my current workflow, at least for the most precious family slides, is to do 48-bit scans at 3200dpi with Normal level dust removal, NO Fading correction, and Normal Grain correction and NO Auto Exposure, save the result as a TIFF file as an archive digital negative, then convert the 48 bit image to 24 bit (in PE3's Image menu/Mode option), then apply the Auto Smart Fix, and save the resulting file to a different file name.

I drop the quality from 48 to 24 bit because the Auto Smart Fix is not available for 48 bit images!!!! (Thwarted at every turn! I went out and bought Elements 3 precisely because Elements 2 doesn't handle 16 bits per color, only to find out that Elements 3 has only LIMITED functionality at that quality level.)

I might be making all kinds of mistakes. I'm fumbling my way through this entire subject area. I've read lots of reviews and forums and tips in the last month. Maybe this is all a big mistake and I should go buy another scanner, well supported by SF. I'd like to make use of its Job Manager to batch-scan the slides. (To add insult, PE3 cannot seem to handle without crashing scanning 8 slides at a time. The most I've been able to do is 2! The more I type, the less satisfied I am.)

Why did you decide against the Epson 4990 scanner? The little PM button below each posting can be used to send a private message to the poster person, in case you want to compare notes further.

No one has yet answered my questions about whether SRD can be used in an automated fashion, why SRD doesn't work for me at all in manual mode or why v**s**n (VS) can do cleaning using infrared information but SilverFast (SF) cannot. (The VS docs indicate that the infrared option is only enabled on scanners equipped with that technology, and it shows up on my 9900F... So SF should be able to get at that info too!!)

I expect the answers to those questions will not help me out -- SRD will most likely only work with manual intervention in each picture and LaserSoft Imaging probably won't deem it worth the engineering effort to satisfy what apparently is a small number of Canon customers.

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Postby AlchomK » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:43 pm

Hello,

First of all, I'm sorry if I can't help you out Tunison, I suppose I'm even worse off than you are. After thinking a lot before buying this 9950F scanner, but probably not enough, the batch of 30 negative frames it can handle and a good quality review on "Photo-i" finally made me choose it rather than the Epson 4990. I eventually discovered the problems that arised by its software, ScanGear.

How nice of Canon to have added the SF-SE version, which can't do batch scans ! I don't have the choice, I have to spend more money than I had planed to. Anyway, with SF-Ai, I still can't do what I want with this scanner which is apparently of good quality. I would be sorry to end up writing a personal review about its sturdiness after a four floor fall out the window !

Anyway, here is my question. Is there any way that SF can automatically recognize each frame of my film, in the same way Epson Scan and ScanGear do, or is there no other option than to select each image manually ?

Thanks for the answers !

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Postby RAG » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:11 pm

Though I have not done this myself, it is my understanding that you are able to create and save selections as sets when working in batch mode.
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Postby AlchomK » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:57 pm

It must be possible, from what I can see on Ian Lyons's site (Computer-Darkroom). But it seems like the batch button on the bottom of this page : http://www.computer-darkroom.com/sf5_ba ... atch_1.htm doesn't exist on SilverFast 6. However I maybe didn't identify it, or maybe it's not on the trial version I am currently using... Thanks to anyone who has the solution, if there's one.

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Postby RAG » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:57 pm

AlchomK,

His example uses a dedicated film scanner and you are using a Flatbed scanner. The button is missing for you because of your scanner model, not because you are using SilverFast 6.

If you look on the general tab (pictured below) you will see the last item allows you to save a frame set. What you do is to draw bounding boxes around each image and once you have them all in place you save and name the frame set. The next time you use SF you are able to call up the frame set. (Note: you also want to change the scan mode to "batch")
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Postby AlchomK » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:21 pm

RAG wrote:His example uses a dedicated film scanner and you are using a Flatbed scanner. The button is missing for you because of your scanner model, not because you are using SilverFast 6.


Thank you RAG for this interesting information.

What you do is to draw bounding boxes around each image and once you have them all in place you save and name the frame set. The next time you use SF you are able to call up the frame set.


OK, well it's a shame that I have to do this manually, because the spaces between each negative frame aren't always identical, so I'll have to reajust the boxes each time. It's a big waste of time. I'm surprised that SF can't define the edges of each picture automatically, unlike other software. Anyway thanks for making things clearer for me.

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Postby RAG » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:32 pm

It would be nice if the software automatically detected the frames. That is one of the advantages a dedicated film scanner I suppose.
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