Digital Ice 4

[kmart]

Just read about Digital Ice 4 and was wondering if you are going to incorporate this into future versions.

[LSI_Flyvbjerg]

Dear kmart.

dICE 4 is implemented in the new Nikon film scanners. Since we are using Nikons SDK to drive the scanners, dICE 4 will be supported.

Eric.

[kbaerwald]

Hi Eric

I am using Silverfast Ai for my Epson 2400 and downloaded a test version of the Silverfast Ai for Nikon V ED (which I own now for a week).

Well - I found the ICE button but there was no possibility to define the strength of this function (or I overlooked it). Furthermore Nikon also offers what they call Digital GEM, Digital ROC and Digital DEE all of them to be fine tuned in the original Nikon software. Where do I find this in Silverfast Ai?

Regards

Klaus

[degrub]

In the previous versions (CS4000, 8000) of Silverfast, ROC and GEM have not been supported. Only ICE. Perhaps with the new scanner versions ??? The issue seemed to be liscensing fees and now competitive software as well.

Frank

[LSI_Flyvbjerg]

ROC and GEM would have to be licensed from ASF (now Kodak).

SilverFast inlcudes ACR (Adaptive Colour Restoration), which is a product of LaserSoft and which does the same job as ROC (if not better). You can find ACR in the selective colour correction dialog.

Eric.

[President_LSI]

Dear Frank,

you will find that LaserSoft Imaging has developed much more powerful and flexible functions with SilverFast ACR and GANE. Check out the QuickTime movie to get the idea.

https://www.silverfast.com/highlights/acr/en.html

https://www.silverfast.com/highlights/gane/en.html

ACR can even be combined with SCC (Selective Colour Correction). This way you can restore any colours that ROC can never restore!

best regards

Karl-Heinz Zahorsky
President
LaserSoft Imaging

[kmart]

Frank:
I can verify what Mr. Zahorsky is saying about SF ACR, it is a far superior color restoration program that gives you complete control. As a long time user of SF Ai and HDR it really does a fine job.

PS I do not work for them either. just a satisfied user.



Kmart

[degrub]

Sheesh..... i too have been a long time user (started on MicroTek E6 version 3.x) . And yes i appreciate the capabilities of GANE and ACR and use them. i was not berating them, just summing up some history ( perhaps those ancient posts about ICE3 and Nikon are around somewhere) i have also had good luck with GEM and ROC with Kodachrome ! So maybe i got my hopes up that i would have even more flexibility in the future ! Ja ? Such is speculation....

Looking forward to SF 7,

Frank

[President_LSI]

ROC & GEM Versus ACR & GANE

Dear Degrub,

if you can specify what you would like to be enhanced. We are always looking forward to relevant proposals for further development!

best regards

Karl-Heinz Zahorsky
President
LaserSoft Imaging

[degrub]

Agreed.

Cheers,

Frank

[kbaerwald]

Again - let us assume I do believe that the ROC, GEM and DDE are inferior to GANE, ACR & Co.

There is still my confusion that Nikon talks about ICE 4 and means ... ? Is this an improved ICE 3 procedure which in turn is better now than IC 2 etc. or does Nikon mean ICE 4 = ICE, ROC, GEM and DEE?

And - if a company says they support Nikon scanners with the new ICE 4 functionality: does this mean that they also support ROC, GEM and DEE?

Or do they just support ICE and only ICE functionality?

Sorry if this sounds stupid but what does fully support ICE 4 else mean?

Klaus

[kbaerwald]

Again - let us assume I do believe that the ROC, GEM and DDE are inferior to GANE, ACR & Co.

There is still my confusion that Nikon talks about ICE 4 and means ... ? Is this an improved ICE 3 procedure which in turn is better now than IC 2 etc. or does Nikon mean ICE 4 = ICE, ROC, GEM and DEE?

And - if a company says they support Nikon scanners with the new ICE 4 functionality: does this mean that they also support ROC, GEM and DEE?

Or do they just support ICE and only ICE functionality?

Sorry if this sounds stupid but what does fully support ICE 4 else mean?

Klaus

[kbaerwald]

Again - let us assume I do believe that the ROC, GEM and DDE are inferior to GANE, ACR & Co.

There is still my confusion that Nikon talks about ICE 4 and means ... ? Is this an improved ICE 3 procedure which in turn is better now than IC 2 etc. or does Nikon mean ICE 4 = ICE, ROC, GEM and DEE?

And - if a company says they support Nikon scanners with the new ICE 4 functionality: does this mean that they also support ROC, GEM and DEE?

Or do they just support ICE and only ICE functionality?

Sorry if this sounds stupid but what does fully support ICE 4 else mean?

Klaus

[LSI_Noack]

Dear kbaerwald

you want to look on ASF (Applied Science Fiction)'s website for an explanation on what ICE4 actually stands for.
ASF (now belonging to Kodak Eastman) developed ICE.

http://www.asf.com/products/ICE4/ICE4_overview.shtml
Summary: ICE4 = ICE+ROC+GEM+SHO

Additional information for SilverFast users.
We do not support the ROC, GEM, and SHO features, as we find our own tools allow for better results and give the user a better control over the process.
Thus, while you cannot really speak of equivalents, you could would use
instead of ROC = SilverFast's ACR and color correction (histogram tool)
instead of GEM = SilverFast's GANE
instead of SHO = SilverFast's picture settings tool, and the gradation tool

Best regards
Sonny Noack
- Manager Technical Support, LaserSoft Imaging AG -